jonathanpenton@gmail.com wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
> > >
> > > > > You seem quiet on this issue, Will. Did you know about this
> > project
> > > > > beforehand?
> > > >
> > > > No, I didn't know about this *project* beforehand, Jon.
> > > >
> > > > I wasn't in contact with Michael Cook at that time, except
> through
> > > > Usenet postings.
> > > >
> > > > I gave Cook no permission to use my poem in *any* way, if
that's
> > the
> > > > question.
> > >
> > > That was the question, yes. If you have described the situation
to
> me
> > > accurately, what he did was totally unacceptable. People like Tom
> and
> > > Chuck who brag that they can get away with plagiarism forfeit
their
> > > rights.
> >
> > Something Cook's on record as bragging about, as well.
>
> He bragged about being able to steal your copyright, the difference
> being that it was obvious that he never intended to do any such
thing.
Jon, point out to me where it was "obvious" that he "never intended" to
steal my copyright:
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From: Michael Cook (cook368@NOSPAMcomcast.net)
Subject: Re: Lord Byron's Swagger [Doc's credits]
View: Complete Thread (113 articles)
Date: 2005-03-11 23:35:50 PST
you have two choices
admit you lied and apologize, pay the bill
for the work YOU ordered for the video,
or the video is mine, that simple.
you opened your lying filthy mouth and now I'm going to collect
and do reply that you understand and not with the bullshit
you pass out to the rubes, you fucked up cock sucker.
you know what you did,
Now make good or the shit is mine for nonpayment
don't like it? sue me
And:
From: Michael Cook (cook368@NOSPAMcomcast.net)
Subject: Re: Lord Byron's Swagger [Doc's credits]
View: Complete Thread (87 articles)
Date: 2005-03-11 23:53:45 PST
> Michael Cook wrote:
>> "Will Dockery" <opbop1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1110612374.764382.65510@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> you have two choices
>> admit you lied and apologize, pay the bill
>> for the work YOU ordered for the video,
>> or the video is mine, that simple.
>>
>> you opened your lying filthy mouth and now I'm going to collect
>
Why you fucked in the head drug addict!
You requested I put credits on the VIDEO,
I did, then you had the fucking gall to drag your sick, whiney ass
around
accusing me of NOT putting them on, and then of theft!
NOW, you have two choices either pay up or apologize
If not I'll have a copyright notice on it by tomorrow
and a DMCA complaint filed with every site that hosts MY
Video.
Now set the bottle aside, get you nose out of the crack
And think back, then look at the video (that is if you can play it)
Then gather all your remaining brain cells and try to recall the lies
you
posted
Then..
Then apologize.
End of story, end of conversation.
mdc
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See below for an example of Cook using my poetry on his website in an
Mp3 without my permission, and without me knowing about it, beforehand.
So, if this were to happen to you, Jon, you'd react differently?
In the archives corresponding with Rik, Tom, Boss et al, you have a
much different stance.
> > > If described accurately, this is revealing about Cook. It also
> > hammers
> > > home the point that you really did know you were being trolled,
all
> > > along.
> >
> > Yeah, Cook's history as a copyright thief I was well aware of by
the
> > time he made the offer to use my material in his live broadcast.
>
> So you were trolled voluntarily
No. I'm well aware of Cook's history, as almost everyone here is.
When a man with a history of stealing copyrighted works that dates back
for *years* threatens to steal my copyright, I'll take his word.
Cook may be a troll, but he's *also* a thief.
Funny maybe, but also theft... bait or not, Cook's using *stolen bait*.
----
"3. Don't imagine that this is some kind of trivial Usenet flame war in
which the people who are against "us" can reasonably side with Tommy
because he's also against "us". Net-abuse of this kind affects *all*
of us, whichever "side" we're usually on, and the abuser needs to be
ostracised whether he says flattering things about you or not."
-Peter J. Ross on copyright theft/net abuse.
----
Here's some excerpts from a thread where Michael Cook denys "stealing"
and posting one of my poems, "Karma Bombs"... he wrote that he only
"borrowed" it..:
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From: Will Dockery
Subject: "Karma Bombs" by Will Dockery [Mp3]
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments, alt.pagan, rec.arts.poems
Date: 2003-12-22 14:36:49 PST
From "Karma Bombs. by Will Dockery" read by Michael Cook:
http://www.net-kooks.no-ip.info/images/Karma%20Bombs.mp3
Message 2 in thread
From: Michael Cook (mdcookaNOSPAM@ameritech.net)
Subject: Re: "Karma Bombs" by Will Dockery [Mp3]
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments, alt.pagan, rec.arts.poems
Date: 2003-12-22 15:24:03 PST
"Will Dockery" <ironywaves@knology.net> wrote in message
news:3fe777da$1_5@news1.knology.net...
> From "Karma Bombs. by Will Dockery" read by Michael Cook:
> http://www.net-kooks.no-ip.info/images/Karma%20Bombs.mp3
>
You hapless dullard!
One, you are stealing my bandwidth.
I'd rather you just took the recording
and post it to your own server.
(i only have 368 up)
Two, the voice is computer generated
mdc
Message 3 in thread
From: Will Dockery (ironywaves@knology.net)
Subject: Re: "Karma Bombs" by Will Dockery [Mp3]
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments, alt.pagan, rec.arts.poems
Date: 2003-12-22 15:37:31 PST
"Michael Cook" wrote
> > From "Karma Bombs. by Will Dockery" read by Michael Cook:
> > http://www.net-kooks.no-ip.info/images/Karma%20Bombs.mp3
> >
> >
> You hapless dullard!
> One, you are stealing my bandwidth.
Hey! You "stole" my copyrighted poem! I prefer to think of it as a
"cover",
and on my Lulu.com release, you get full credit.
> I'd rather you just took the recording
> and post it to your own server.
> (i only have 368 up)
This has been done, more-or-less. What music do *you* envision for the
poem?
We'll create our own, similar to the one already performed, but I'm
curious
about what you'd come up with:
http://www.lulu.com/content/32109
> Two, the voice is computer generated
> mdc
I knew that, of course, but I think it's kind of fun to go into the
Google
archives with *another* "Collaboration with Michael Cook... by the way,
when
will you be putting the "Oz" photo-story back up, at least long enough
for
me to copy/paste it to a more permanent site?
Will
Message 4 in thread
From: Michael Cook (cook368NOSPAM@ameritech.net)
Subject: Re: "Karma Bombs" by Will Dockery [Mp3]
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments, alt.pagan, rec.arts.poems
Date: 2003-12-22 16:00:54 PST
"Will Dockery" <ironywaves@knology.net> wrote in message
>
> Hey! You "stole" my copyrighted poem! I prefer to think of it as a
"cover",
> and on my Lulu.com release, you get full credit.
As the recording clearly demonstrates, a poem I did not steal,
only borrowed
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This was two years ago, clearly showing Michael Cook has a habit of
"borrowing" [translation: stealing] copyrighted poetry, images and
other works created by other hands, to call his own.
And there's *more*, in the archives, if anyone cares... remember what
the Boss wrote... this could happen to any poet here.
Applause, awards and defense of *your* thief should logically follow,
y'know?
Is that such an Unlikely Story to consider?
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